Archbishop on ‘Same-Sex Marriage’

The Archbishop of Sydney, Dr Peter Jensen, has written an opinion piece in the Sydney Morning Herald. You can find it here.

Peter responds to the three common slogans used to promote the campaign

First, that the proposed change is demanded by the notion of ‘marriage equality’.

Secondly, that ‘marriage won’t change’.

Thirdly that this shift is ‘inevitable’.

It’s worth a read. It’s not long. And it’s worth passing on.

 

3 thoughts on “Archbishop on ‘Same-Sex Marriage’

  1. fellowscouserphil June 22, 2012 / 7:31 am

    Hi Richard

    I have posted on your blog before, about 18 months ago, but decided it was best to give it a break as I maybe was a touch too controversial, although I really enjoyed the exchanges. Not so sure you did though lol

    My name is Phil and for almost the past 20 years I am Reader in an open evengelical, mildly/sensible New Wine/charismatic (as opposed to the bonkers charismatic wing) inner city urban parish in North Liverpool. I was licensed as a Reader at the tender age of 32, and looking round at my licensing service i the Cathedral, sudddenly saw that I was the youngest Reader in the Diocese by about 20 years and was silently screaming “Help, what have I done?” by which time it was too late as by then Bishop David Sheppard had already laid his hands on me and it was already too late!

    Our church building has been demolished and the £150,000 the local Council were going to give us to build a new worship/community centre was cut as soon as the Coalition came into power, so we are technically homeless, although for the almost the last two years e have been based at our lcoal state controlled state of the art primary school, complete with cafe/children’s centre, at the kind invitation of the Head Teacher following a casual conversation with our vicar Claire. It has been great as we are now able to exp[eroment with Mewssy Church amonsgt nin-churched school folk and are developing cafe church for the unchurched at the moment.

    I’d like to say at the start that I really admire a lot of what you do in Balham, especially as you are immersed in the urban stuff in your part of Lonodn rather than the leafier suburban climes, where, if I may be as bold as to say so, a fair proportion of the conservative evangelcial fraternity tend to naturally gravitate to in my experience. And I have some expreience of more conservative evangelical worship/minsitry (although I do dislike boxing people in with labels in order to define them..I don’t think it always helps)as I worshipped at St Judes Wolverhampton as a student and Greyfriars Reading..yes of Dr Philip Giddings fame!!…when I worked in Reading for 2 years prior to returning to Liverpool to live and work. I was also Christian Union President at college and spent 2 consecutive years as the West Midlands Reginal Rep on the UCCF Colleges National Executive.back in the mid 80s. I have however never been politically conservative, think the current coalition is a bit of anightmare (although I did vote Lib Dem at the alst 2 elections) and persoanlly think Michale Gove should be taken out and shot at dawn, and currently think that Lord Leveson is the best thing sicne sliced bread!

    So that’s me. There is just one question I’d like to ask. Given that St George’s Tron in Glasgow have seceded from the Church of Scotland, and since the co-Mission group have sort of done the same but not maybe quite as fully, are Co-mission fully self supporting in that all clergy/pastoral and housing costs are paid for by the church/Co-Mission network. I also take it that youthe Co-Mission group all worship in community buildings and not church premises owned by the Church Commissioners.

    I only ask this because I am intrigued as to how St Georges Tron will progress from here. Surely if they have voted to secede, all clergy stipends/pensions should be frozen asap, all vicarage, the church should vacate their premsies, find alternative premises to rent themselves both for Sunday and weekly activities, and return it to the Church Commissioners for them to decide how best it should be used. I also think that this scenario may become more frequent follwoing the General Synod vote next month on the Admission of Women to the Episcopate and the gay marriage debate. For what it is worth, I think the amendments should be defeated as the HoB should not have interfered as 42 out of the 44 Diocesan Synods had voted overwhelmingly in favour of Admission with motions seeking to amend/water down the legislation further roundly defeated. The legislation should have gone to Synd as it was. Ironically, the attempts of the HoB to appease opponenmts have failed as the opponents are still not going to vote for it, neither are many of the supporters of Admission. I persoanlly hope it is voted down by both the Houses of Clergy and Laity. The gay “marriage” issue is far more complex, and I am fully in favour of picking fights with the government, so long as they are the right battles to fight. I am not sure this one si gibe the infighting and amounts of energy that will be expended..to what effect/final result I wonder?

    Should more churches like Christ Church Balham and others fully go down the Tron route, should you all not be full self-supporting in every way and
    not be dependent upon central church respurces/property/financing.? Which reminds me…how is AMiE doing? I am guessng it has been fairly quiet,though it might become far more visible again in the coming months.

    Hope you have a great weekend at Revive.

    Phil

    btw I have not consciously sought you out over this. I have simply responded to one of many posts from your blog whoch have landed in my email inbox in recent days!

    • MichaelA July 2, 2012 / 5:06 am

      Phil,

      I am not in Dio Southwark (nor even in England). But in response to your questions I note that the Southwark ministry trust seems to be the opposite of secession. From http://www.evangelicals.org/news.asp?id=1471:

      “2. Does joining the Trust mean disassociating from Southwark Diocese?
      No. Member churches are still full members of the Diocese. The Trust encourages member churches to pay their full part in Diocesan life (Synods, Chapters, etc). The Trust is simply an alternative mechanism to funding churches within the Diocese. Such churches will still pay their own clergy costs and still pay a contribution towards Diocesan and National Church central costs. …”

      “4. Does participating in the Trust mean withdrawing from Diocesan structures?
      No. Any diocesan quota scheme is a voluntary scheme, not a tax. Trust churches are still part of Diocesan structures. …”

      “5. Is the Trust ‘separatist’ ?
      No. The Trust does not involve setting up another denomination. Rather, it is about renewal within the Church of England, and is an internal financial reorganisation on conscientious grounds….”

      So what that appears to add up to, is that Trust churches pay the compulsory levies but divert the voluntary payments to purposes that in good conscience they agree with.

      It would appear that, far from leaving, the orthodox evangelicals intend to stay in CofE, but on their own terms.

  2. MichaelA July 2, 2012 / 4:42 am

    Richard, it was a good article.

    That week ++Jensen also went onto morning TV with a Roman Catholic bishop (representing the RC Archbishop of Sydney Cardinal Pell, who was in Rome at the time). Together they mounted a strong defence against the advocates of gay marriage. it was heartening to see.

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